We saw some very early experiments with Doom in virtual reality last year at E3. But now, Bethesda’s promising a new, discrete experience called Doom VFR, and it looks pretty fun. The game puts you into fights with Doom’s familiar demons, but per the trailer, you’ll get some pretty wild teleportation options — think jumping and pivoting in the air to blast a cacodemon. There’s no launch date, but it’s being released for PlayStation VR and HTC Vive.

Bethesda also reminded us that Fallout 4’s VR edition is still coming — and now we know it’ll be released in October for HTC Vive. Unlike Doom VFR, this looks a lot like a direct port of the non-VR Fallout into VR, which isn’t necessarily a good idea. Its core pitch is something like “Do all the things you’re used to in Fallout 4, but somewhat less efficiently!” I’m not saying it couldn’t be good, but I’m withholding judgment until I can try it for more than a few minutes, like I did last year.

Neither of these experiences got as much time as Bethesda’s big new non-VR games, but they’re some of the most substantive virtual reality we’ve seen at the show so far, after the complete absence of it from Microsoft’s Xbox One X event today.